Tuesday, July 16, 2013

Just some religious stuff I've read recently

This guy is a youth pastor (shocking! jk). But amen for Emily Maynard. This sort of child rearing philosophy makes me SICK. And "without disgust"? What are you telling the kid to do that would inspire disgust? Because....maybe they are disgusted for a valid reason? Like because you are a sick dude with some messed up, harmful views.

The Gospel Party Well, when you put it that way (speaking of amen for Emily Maynard).
Because if you don’t come to this party, Jesus will have some other guys beat you up. With sticks. Of FIRE! And they’ll hit you for ever and ever because you didn’t want to come to Jesus’s party and it makes him so sad. He really really wants you to be at his party instead of having to let the fire stick guys beat you up, but it’s a risk he’s willing to take so that you’ll want to come to his party.
The Atheist Daughter of a Notable Christian Apologist Shares Her Story Something about the doctrine of absolute truth leading a Christian apologist's daughter to atheism strikes me as kinda awesome.
 If God was absolutely moral, because morality was absolute, and if the nature of “right” and “wrong” surpassed space, time, and existence, and if it was as much a fundamental property of reality as math, then why were some things a sin in the Old Testament but not a sin in the New Testament?

There a whole page of dudes telling the ladies to cover their head. I just chose this one.

Why Head Coverings? Why, indeed.
The woman reflects the glory of man and her submission to the proper male authority in her life by praying and prophesying with her head covered. If we change the symbol or abandon it altogether we miss out on displaying to man and angels the wisdom of God in creation. Even worse, we are disobeying the commands of our Lord, which as Paul says brings dishonor and disgrace upon our heads (1 Cor 11:4-6).

If you guys will excuse me, I think I'm going to go throw up. But first, this.

Me too, Micah. Me too.



  1. The word obedience kind of puts me on edge. You don't want an obedient child. And while it would make parenting a whole lot easier, it makes raising a human being that is capable of thinking for him/herself really hard.

    I always think of what I read in Raising Free Thinkers by Dale McGowan (excellent book BTW) about how raising children to unflinchingly accept authority is so very harmful. It even got into research done about those who lived in Nazi-occupied Europe. How they were raised directly influenced their choices to help people fleeing persecution or turn them in to authorities. Scary and fascinating stuff.

    1. YES!! I hate hate hate the very-Christian notion that obedience is something to be revered. Obedience is only as good as whatever you're obedient to. And teaching obedience means you don't teach kids to discriminate between helpful versus hurtful, etc.

  2. I don't know about your kids, but my kids can get disgusted when I ask them to do something like clean up after themselves or stop playing because it's bedtime. To me, as a Christian, my kids trust me and trust that I'm doing what's best for them. When I teach them to obey me, I'm not teaching them to be indiscriminate "obeyers". I'm teaching them to obey ME because I have their best interests at heart, not to obey every Tom, Dick, and Harry who tells them to do something. I'm still teaching them to be thinkers and not robots. I want them to ask me if they don't understand why I'm telling them to do something, so they know where I'm coming from and that I'm not just being like, "obey because I said so!"

    I think obey sounds like a bad word now but it doesn't have to be, if it's in the context of a trusting, loving environment. I completely agree with " obedience is only as good as whatever you're obedient to". I'm teaching them to obey me and ultimately to obey God, and maybe grandparents, but that's pretty much it. And I'm teaching them to discriminate all the while.

    Btw, I found your blog, which I really like although I probably disagree with most of it because I'm everything liberals make fun of, from your husband's twitter because I'm nutty for the Rays and read his blog "religiously" (ha!)

    1. that last line about how you probably disagree with most of it made me laugh. Because I was like, you and the rest of my family!! I hope you stick around anyway:) They sort of do, sometimes.

      And I think giving them reasons to obey you is clutch. There is this movement in some religious circles called, "first time obedience" that I think this guy is referencing. Basically you teach your kids not to question or hesitate to do what they say (which I think sets them up to later apply that model to others who have authority over them. like say an abusive boyfriend or bad influence friend)

  3. I totally agree. We live in a different world than the days when parents taught their kids to obey anyone in authority. I only have 1 daughter (and 3 boys, serenity now!) and she already seems strong and independent at 10, but she has never made me madder than when she was telling me what her "best friend" made her do and how the girl treated her and my daughter was defending this appalling behavior. And I was thinking, where did I go wrong? She's going to have a boyfriend who beats her and she's going to go along with it, etc. So that led to some heart to heart discussions with her. So I definitely want to guard against that kind of obeying.

    Anyway, I'll be sticking around here :) I love the way you write. It's so real and sounds like we're having a conversation.